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Exhaust Disconnection Makes Engine Rev High - Why? 200

Hi Folks,

My 245s exhaust disconnected while driving due to my make shift repair. Proper repair is in works.

The incident made me wonder about the relationship of the 02 sensor and motor RPM...

The exhaust disconnected about 6" behind the 02 sensor while driving on the highway, disconnecting in front of the cat and muffler. The motor immediately went into super high rpms. Roaring. I had to turn the key off and coast to the side of the highway. No traffic around, so no worries getting off. Restarted the car and it ran OK, albeit with a straight exhaust, so I limped up to a nearby rest area and got towed home.

Why did the motor suddenly lock on high rpms when the exhaust pipe came off?

Feedback change from the 02 sensor?

Could an exhaust leak near the 02 sensor give OBD codes?

FYI: The exhaust is a Unitek header using a custom pipe (with 02 bung) connecting to a cat, then stock turbo pipe single muffler exhaust. Worked well until rust attacked.

Curious minds need to know.

Bert








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    Exhaust Disconnection Makes Engine Rev High - Why? 200

    I submit the oxygen sensor had nothing whatever to do with the high revs.

    But I must ask how the throttle got stuck open. And to guess how much it was open I'd want to know if this was an automatic in drive, or a stick in neutral, or what -- meaning what sort of load did the motor have when the rpms where high.

    Same sort of questions arose when the Toyota Syndrome was popular.


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    Art Benstein near Baltimore

    How many times is it appropriate to say "What?" before you just nod and smile because you still didn't hear what they said?








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      Exhaust Disconnection Makes Engine Rev High - Why? 200

      Thanks for the responses.

      I think I found the reason for the high revs. Another case of a multiple part failure causing strange symptoms.

      The cruise control valve/switch on the clutch pedal was out of adjustment.

      I was in cruise control when the exhaust dropped and I instinctively pushed in the clutch, with the switch not working this made the motor instantly go high rev... My next reflex was to turn off the motor.

      It took me a few days of thinking this through until I figured it out and checked the clutch pedal switch.

      It is always the "multiple failures" that get me confused.








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        Cruise 200

        Thanks for the plausible explanation. I wouldn't have come close to imagining it.

        Kept thinking the kickdown cable melted -- imagining you might have an auto. But the spool is designed to prevent that from holding the throttle open. I totally forgot about the prototype of "drive by wire" functions the cruise control performs, directly operating the throttle.


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        Art Benstein near Baltimore

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    Exhaust Disconnection Makes Engine Rev High - Why? 200

    A) What you described should not happen but it did.

    B) The O2 sensor is the third or fourth most important component in a semi-modern fuel injection loop like we have in Bosch LH2.4 systems. It works like this:

    To start the car, the only important component outside the ECU is temperature sensor...this determines which start-up map is to be used.

    Started, idling, but not up to operating temp (engine or O2 sensor) the MAF/AMM/MAP sensor and the whatever is used as a tach signal (crank position sensor) are primary with the TPS having the minor roll of signally the idle map.

    Started, driving, but not warmed up is basically the same but a preset map for "normal" driving.

    Started, driving, warmed up...this is where it gets fun. AMM helps the ECU guess the amount of fuel needed and O2 sensor gives feedback of how accurate the guess was...these two sensors continuously adjust the mixture.

    So if the O2 sensor is massively out of range for what the AMM guessed should be happening, a code should have popped and limp home mode initiated. As the lack of exhaust flow across the O2 sensor, and exposure to fresh air, should have maxed out the lean reading (too much unburned oxygen) it would have dumped a lot of fuel for couple seconds (or less) but then the fault should have popped a code and put you in limp home.








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    Exhaust Disconnection Makes Engine Rev High - Why? 200

    the o2 sensor is integral and crucial for proper engine management. i saw a sedan a few years back which ran like crap for at least 2 years before i saw it and diagnosed a broken o2 sensor wire connection under the fireproof sheath. after simply splicing the 3 sensor wires ( not even changing the sensor mind you) the car idled and ran perfectly as if by magic.







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