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Hi;
I am trying to keep my '93 245 from being toweed. Transmission locked. Bypass button assembly does nit work, took cover off, looks like plastic piece that pulls on cable ball fell out. HOW CAN i MANUALLY GET TRANNY IN NEUTRAL, SO i CAN PUSH IT INSIDE MY GATE = NOT GETTING TOWED.
Trying to get car back on road.
Any thoughts greatly appreciated
Bill mArriott
'03 red 245
'72 gold P1800e
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Hi,
I'm curious as to whether you got your car moved?
I have had my first automatic transmission on a 240 for a few years now and have not had your problem before.
I was aware of a possible release mechanism located somewhere around the shifter cover but I never researched how to use it or where to look.
I can get in the car from either front side door, push down the button on the top and pull it out of Park.
In fact, I can actually snag it out of any gear and probably not having to push the button down very far at all.
I push my car back and forth all the time, within a parking space length to wash it and not fire the car up to move it back inside again.
Now I think my shifting lock out mechanism doesn't work at all.
Frankly, I haven't missed the idea of having to step on the brakes to move it at anytime!
I looked in the Bentley bible and they show an illustration of a human hand reaching with a finger down into that fuzzy brush filled slot. It shows a lever in there that moves up and down in.
Page 435-8 upper right corner.
My lever is right at the bottom of the slot.
I found it at the very bottom end, opposite the Park detent. There is a solid lever sticking up very near there and practically ready to stick out.
I can barely get my big finger in between the outer cases slot and that lever.
The illustration shows the finger in a curled position pulling that lever up.
It's really stiff and doesn't appear to want to move much. It seems quite tight to me on my car!
The Bentley manual says there is a relay someplace that energizes the solenoid when the brake pedal is pushed down, as the relays contacts are wired in series with the brake lights power.
This is where it gets confusing to me.
It says you turn on the key and it actuates the relays magnetic coil. This connects the two together. Brake lights and the solenoid being powered up pulls the pin out of the mechanism and you get to go down the road!
There is a diagram on that same page above that shows this. Only the fuse numbers are wrong for the 1992-3 models.
The 7&12 fuses are correct as the other post, in this thread, stated according to wiring diagrams in another section.
Are your brakes lights coming on? On some cars, if you don't have instrument cluster lights, check
for brake lights! This was before bulb out sensors!
If your switch to the brake lights fail or the brake lights are not getting power in the first place, the shifter doesn't get its pin pulled.
If the relay doesn't close from the ignition switch being on, the shifter doesn't get its pin pulled!
If the relays internal contacts don't function correctly, the shifter doesn't get its pin pulled!
If the solenoid has an open coil or is jamming up from dirt and trash, it cannot pull the pin back either!
No wonder they put in an override system!
There is a "faith" that it could "inherently" fail!
Hello!
I imagine I will have to investigate how it works "someday" by taken that cover off and doing a rehearsal.
I'm suspicious that I will find that there is "something" missing!
If so, I will close it up and leave it that way!
My wife and I have the long time acquired a habit of applying brakes anytime we start a vehicle.
In fact, I see her and many other people of whom just sit in their cars, with the engine on or off, with their foot on the brake pedal while talking or driving their thumbs around in circles on key pads!
Maybe with a key on for the radio or a charging circuit, its what happens!
It burns out, that supposedly "temporarily ON circuit."
Phil
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Hello!
Is this Phil, Phil?, Pacific N. West?
So I am now shifting. 8*)
Even with the shifter surrounds off, I do not see a manual override on my
'93. When I took the main surround off, out fell a little piece of plastic with a recess for the ball at the end of the cable.
1st, take bogus battery back to O'Riley, and get n/c new one, still no shifting when key on. OK, fuse 7 spin in place.
Shifter shifts. Hurray!
Thanks for the comments, I now know way more about the multi-funtion shifter than I did last week. So why not start the car now that I have gas in it, its started before, but not today. Just a little grrr from the starter and that was it.Probably connection issues, found my multimeter, and I guess its back to wrenchin on a 25 yr old car, at the age of 66.
Bill Marriott
'93 red 245
'72 p1800E
iF This was from P1800 Phil, could yyou send me a note
bmarriott13@comcast.net (I'm trying to revive the '72 coupe)
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Hi,
I’m responding to your question about a P1800.
I do not own one, nor, do I know much about them.
My experience with one was during an old car show held by local enthusiasts.
Other than popping my head over a fender of that one that may have been” a 1974 model that’s it.
He said it had fuel injection and he had a problem with it just shutting down very randomly.
I don’t believe or remember that if it was an early K-Jet model or not.
I discussed with him the possibility of it being a very early ECU module that needed be broke open and it’s solder circuits looked into and maybe a transistor or capacitors revamped.
If I were you making more posts on the 1800 section of the Brickboard it might get you more results.
You have to be willing to talk plentifully and steadfastly to get the interest of those of whom are really into their old cars.
I see you are new to the Brickboard with your sign in name on the 1800 tab back in June.
Time does slip away quickly even without the issues you mentioned.
The same procedures would go for any other forums you might find to use.
The only way I can help you is working with the basics of diagnosing and some methods to do that.
Same goes for your 1993 240.
The voltmeter is a good start with no matter what you are working on.
The rest has to come to doing research in manuals that cover those components used in a particular model and years of on going Volvo’s entire production lines.
I mostly hang out on the 240 section and stray over to the 900’s when things are slow and I’m not quite so slow. (:-)
The two models shared lots of components together around the mid nineties and the 1993 is unique in certain areas as I’m finding out.
If you look up above in this thread, to Art Benstein post, you can see where he supplied an illustration of the changes in the last of the three years of production and look the 1993 was still in progress!
This is why I peek over to the 900’s.
Keep yourself alive on the BB and both your cars will survive!
Phil
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Hello;
Thanks for the info. Yesterday II finally realized that I need a new battery, and the tranny lock needs electricity. O'riley battery, get what you pay for, but yesterday they gave me a free Battery.
Just now I found my multi meter, buried under dishes in the dish drainer. Sorry, 66 and living alone. Used to work on many Volvos, trying to get back in the saddle
Currently, red '245 '93
gold metallic P1800e 1972
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Hi,
So you’re 66 working on getting to 70, where I am!
Just got hearing aids last month but they will warn you the batteries are almost depleted!
Funny about finding your voltmeter under dishes in a drainage basket!
Guess age is sneaking up on us with a warning sign of that by hiding things from us! (:-)
So, buying batteries at O’Reily’s and “getting what you pay for” seems like it could have a double meaning, to me?
Was it really the battery or the lack of charging maintenance?
I must say this as you might want to turn on your computer more often!
It needs electricity too!
Have you seen the “time date” on your post?
December 30, 1969! (:-)
That’s even before the 1972 P 1800 was made! (:-)
By any chance do you look anything like this person?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Lloyd
You might be NOW in a time warp! (:-)
All kidding aside, it is probably the web site as “Jarrod Stenberg Consulting” is revamping the inner workings of the whole thing!
He is doing amazing work!
He says he is getting rid of some real old coding. Now that’s like working with Microsoft’s past, It doesn’t give up without a fight.
I remember blue screens of death and still suffer reluctance to play with features on my iPads!
I enjoyed your thread as it got me to look into my 1992 and have found out, I have an older style that’s not labeled at all! Secret stuff, if you don’t use or have an owners manual.
As far as alone, You’re not alone, as long as there are wrenches and old Volvo with a Brickboard family!
Phil
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my 93 had all that plastic stuff out when i got it and no button, maybe pull cable out a few inches?my cable is just floating in space
or crawl underneath and disconnect linkage and shift it your self.
I am not an expert but that is what I would try first if desperate.
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You may have already done this but check fuses 7 and 12 first. If they are ok then place ignition key in position one, press firmly on the "Shiftlock Override" button.
RonJ
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