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Bizarre Temp Gauge Situation- 200 1990

My temp gauge read really low for a while and then it read high, just below the red. Sometimes it would just drop suddenly. So I bypassed the temp compensating board. No change. I bought a new sensor, no change. I grounded the lead and it went high but not all of the way. IF I unplug it it goes down to cool but not to the bottom. I then grounded it to the negative battery terminal with a test light and the light came on very faint. I guess it is getting a signal from some electrical problem.

BTW I installed a TEMP gauge in the hose AFTER the thermostat so I can see that it is opening. car runs on that on at about 175.F. Where could it be picking up a signal when it's unplugged?

I give up! Help!








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Bizarre Temp Gauge Situation- 200 1990

Thats not bizarre!

HERES BIZARRE - 35 years ago, I was a firefighter driving a 1957 Maxim pumper - one day, on a run, the temperature gauge went way past hot, All the way around to the stop post at zero!

We saw no signs of over heating and found that the cooling system was COMPLETELY full, Pressure was pushing the gauge around.

It seems that the radiator fill valve on the pump was leaking and had liquid filled the cooling system.

In case of a failure, pumpers are equipped with a cooler valve that sends pump water to a heat exchanger to cool the engine, if that does not cool the engine, you can open the radiator fill valve and put pump water directly into the cooling system in order to keep supplying to the firefighters with pump water.








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Bizarre Temp Gauge Situation- or a thermostat? 200 1990

Hi,

Boy, you do have a strange thing going on for what should be a simple resistive circuit operating the gauge.
There is a heating element mounted on or near a bimetal strip of metal inside the gauge.
The heat warps the mechanism to deflect the needle.
There is a solid state voltage regulator device that controls the voltage below battery voltage to maintain a more dependable fixed rate of current into the instruments.
Since the fuel gauge is working correctly, because you don’t mention a problem with it, I would discount it to NOT have failed.
A bad ground is always possible but they don’t usually drift with regularity.
A bad power connection to the cluster would affect everything but a bad one on the board is another story. You might want to check the strip of trace that jumps over the speedometer and is under some screws at each end for looseness or bad contact. I think it’s suppose to act like a fuse in some of Art’s posts or articles on his site.

On the older cars there is a fixed resistance that can be used to check the calibration of a gauge to ground. You are not suppose to put them directly to ground as it will overheat them and throw it out of calibration.
You can use resistors as it will be the same now that you took the compensation board out.
I had it written down somewhere but I’m without my notes! It’s in my 1978 green books.
I think ten ohms stops it at the edge or in the red zone.


Now, I will say that the 175 degree temperature is very low temperature for the car.
You want 192 to 197 degrees. 87 C min. or a 92C thermostat for a better performance. IMO these temperatures drive off moisture in the oil.
The higher one holds extra heat for a longer duration between short drives and improves emissions and hopefully gas mileages.

I would say the thermostat is stuck open! It might work correctly at times and then cycles to hang in one position or another.
What you don’t want, is a permanently closed one to happen!

This stuff can happen to the best of made thermostats.
The working life of some lasting way longer than others.
This is why I like Wahler brand because they date them upon being manufactured.
I have a lousy record of keeping records!
At least I know when it does miss it’s mark, I have an idea of the length of service.
IMHO they hold a tighter line of staying on its target temperature, doing it repetitively, to be worth a couple dollars more.
The dating in the brass material is a plus. They care enough, if you care!
When you pop one back out after a long, long time in there, of which I have seen, it shouts volumes either way it goes!
Now that all of that is out, I do have worries over Wahler. I hope someone gets a read on these two developments lately.

Engine oil are doubling in price and antifreeze is at its highest level yet!
Electric cars and the associated world of it, are coming!

https://www.borgwarner.com/newsroom/press-releases/2013/12/16/borgwarner-acquires-wahler

https://www.borgwarner.com/newsroom/press-releases/2019/01/04/borgwarner-agrees-to-sell-thermostat-business-to-arlington-industries-group

Anyhow!
Try for the calibration research for the gauge.
Definitely test or boil your thermostats, new or old, in a cooking oil medium to see right where it cracks open and observe how much more it opens.
Note the range but it’s the first cracking space that’s important as to when flow starts.
You can control the temperature around it with light vegetable oil more precisely.
Water bubbles and rolls off the bottom a pan violently. Infrared heat affects the thermostat that’s not in an engine. I like oils convection thermals better.

Have a good day!

Phil








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Bizarre Temp Gauge Situation- or a thermostat? 200 1990

Well, there is a Ghost in the Machine, (to borrow from the Police). I have another cluster in storage that I am going to put in and see what exactly happens. Ill let you know. Thanks for the response.








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Bizarre Temp Gauge Situation- or a thermostat? 200 1990

Hi Rice240,

Sorry. Not been paying attention of late.

Please see our beloved Uncle Arty Benstein's website article about the 240 temperature faker board in your 240 instrument cluster (Should open in new browser tab or window) and how to remediate:

240 Volvo Temperature Compensation Circuit: Here is a quick path to the truth in temperature.

URL:
http://cleanflametrap.com/tempFaker.html

Image of the coolant temperature sensor location in black circle:



Image from thread:
https://volvoforums.com/forum/volvo-240-740-940-12/93-940-turbo-harsh-cold-start-60845/

The LH-Jetronic engine control era knock sensor in the yellow circle in the image. Used by the ignition control system. The right-most black circle is the engine control temperature sensor; a two thermistor sensor - 1 for injection and the other for ignition.

I have a bad coolant gauge temperature sensor in my li'l red 1990 240 DL wagon. The wire harness stranded copper alloy conductor was broken at the spade terminal that secures to the guage temperature sensor. Repaired it with new quick connect spade term, yet the coolant thermistor sensor has a fault inside, so the gauge does not work unless the wire is moved. May have to rebuild the head as the engine drinks coolant albeit slowly. More silicate-rich Penatfrost to slow cavitation of the heater core tin-lead solder welds.

Silicates and anti-corrosive phosphorous compounds in anti-freeze prevent the tin from corroding away. Distilled or better water. The redblock coolant jacket is actually four metal alloys: Iron, Aluminum, Copper, Tin alloys. Remember the tin (Sn)!

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Engine Oil & Antifreeze Price? 200 1990

Hiya Uncle Phil Machine Man!

Engine Oil Price? Walmart has them 5-quart bottles of the high mileage 10W40 group III synthetic for $25-$26 as of today (what I use for about two decades).

Antifreeze (not premix) is like $8-$15 a gallon.

At least at the local St. Louis-area Walmart stores.

Plain old Prestone with silicates (good for lead / tin solder in the 240 heater core!) and phosphorous anti-corrosives.

Crude oil price has also dropped to like $25 a barrel. Russian Federation told OPEC to take a leap some weeks ago. Part of the oil price drop reason.

Whole sale gasoline was like $0.53 or so some days ago. Corn ethanol remains at $0.90 or so some days ago also.

Is the price on engine oil and antifreeze rising a lot recently?

I'm unsure.

Sorry to be off thread topic. Thank you.

Happy Sundae!

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