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1991 240 speedo needle drops to 0 but, jumps back up when dash tapped on 200

Hello,
My 1991 240 has a new-er issue with the speedo. While driving along, the speedo needle will suddelny drop to but, a hit on the dash will get it to pop back up again, usually. It usually takes a few hits. I want to keep track of my miles (of course) so, I need to get it fixed. I took the instruement cluster out and didn't find anything out of the ordinary on the back of the cluster. Any clues would be appreciated. Thanks.

pittroj








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    1991 240 speedo needle drops to 0 but, jumps back up when dash tapped on 200

    My 740 wagon was doing the same. Check the wiring at the rear axle speed sensor. The insulation on mine was getting crumbly . I just spliced in some new wiring.Fixed the problem.








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    1991 240 speedo needle drops to 0 but, jumps back up when dash tapped on 200

    I had this problem a couple of years ago on my 93 and I thought it was at the speedometer but I eventually realized it was not hitting the dashboard, it was letting my foot off the gas pedal that brought it back. The sensor cable above the differential pumpkin had disintegrated into a gooey mess and the wires were shorting.

    It sounds like you are pretty sure it is in the dashboard, but I thought I would just throw this in in case. I had trouble finding it because the damage was way up near the floor in the middle of the car and I don't have a lift. It was really annoying for me because in a 93 that sensor is also the ABS sensor, so my ABS light kept flickering off and on.








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    1991 240 speedo needle drops to 0 but, jumps back up when dash tapped on 200

    Hi,

    From what you are saying it does appear to be an electrical connection issue since the speed portion goes to zero.
    I have never like the the three wire connector that pushes onto the speedometer circuit boards traces.
    The common problem with the speedometer itself is usually bad solder joints mostly to the stepper motor as it clicks over odometer reading.
    From what you are saying both must stop because you want to keep up with the mileage portion as well.
    A signal reading of “capacitance change” from a proximity sensor is coming from the rear differential.
    This gets processed by a chip and then the speedometer needle gets a driver current sent to it to rotate up the needle. Much like an analog voltmeter, ohmmeter or amperage meter.
    This is an hybrid speedometer just before digital displays.

    You may be losing that signal at the connector since your thumps effects it. It’s either that or the power supply on the cluster board towards the speedometer.

    What I would do is reflow the solder all over the circuit board and add a “very thin” layer right onto the traces right where the three wire connector pushes on and grips it.
    Just a little more than a tinning coating though!
    This way the claws will actually plow into some solder and therefore, create some more pathway into, what otherwise is, a narrow flat surface area. The claws have a leading edge, that’s tapered, to help spread the claw.
    I think it helps anyway?


    Oh!
    If you have not done this and the car is up around 180 to 202,000 miles, you might want to inspect the gears off the motor drive for the odometer.
    There is a 25 tooth gear that slowly turns to mush and the gear teeth fall out and into the whole mechanism thus the odometer quits.
    Again it shouldn’t have anything to do with a zero speed reading.

    That’s all the clues I can think of for the moment.

    Phil








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      1991 240 speedo needle drops to 0 but, jumps back up when dash tapped on 200

      Thanks to everyone for the responses. I will pull the cluster again and have another look. Sorry for the late response.

      pittroj








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        1991 240 speedo needle drops to 0 but, jumps back up when dash tapped on 200

        Hi,

        If you cannot find anything going on with the cluster, pull the steering column shroud and check the ground wire near the turn signal. The screw may be ever so loose.

        Years back on my 90 244 that ground screw was slightly loose and the speedometer would cut out intermittently, sometimes bounce around, etc.

        After I tightened the screw it was fixed for a few years until it slightly loosened again.

        Hope that helps,

        Travis








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      1991 240 speedo needle drops to 0 but, jumps back up when dash tapped on 200

      I hesitated suggesting this, because it relies on finding a unicorn. 20 years ago some electronic gizmos used a wall wart (power adapter) producing AC output, a simple transformer. But nowadays they are all DC output, and most are filtered as well, so they don't provide the alternating current you could use to substitute for the signal coming from the speed pickup in the differential.

      Just in case your your junk box is as aged as mine is, check this out:

      http://cleanflametrap.com/speedoDiag.html
      --
      Art Benstein near Baltimore

      "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer." -Albert Camus








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        1991 240 speedo needle drops to 0 but, jumps back up when dash tapped on 200

        Hi Art!

        I will not hesitate to say that most everything I know about the speedometers came from you!
        People on the Brickboard surely need to know about your http://cleanflametrap.com/ site!
        Shame on those who have not been there!

        This link now tops all the others for showing what I was trying to say to the original poster!
        I have never explored my 1986 wagon for that box, so that explains, why you are The Volvo Man Extraordinaire!
        The picture of the terminal clip does the thousand word adage, it’s due justice!

        Correct me if I’m wrong but my 1984 was probably the last year for cable driven speedometers, so was it in 1985 that started the hybrid electronic speedometers series?

        As of yet I have not taken the time to setup a speedometer test bed.
        I even purchased the chips and IC sockets to fix my 1986 and it’s still in a box with other parts.
        It has been just to easy to pickup another cluster over the years. I’m plainly lazy and just not that curious!
        I have realized that times were changing, so I built up a stash instead.
        I just hope I have all of the right stuff!


        Phil







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