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Pulling Rear Drums..What is the TRICK? 444-544

Pulling Rear Drums..What is the TRICK?
I have been beating on the drums with a small sledge around the
the circumference. I have used a hub puller with a huge 3 feet
pipe at the end of the 1/2" rachet.

I have used Kano Kroll penetrating oil freely and copiously and let it soak.

I have tried heat. Apparently not enough.
Does the drum have to get red hot?
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Would it help to put the puller on to keep pressure and use MAP gas.

Should I buy the Skandix 5 hole puller?
Should I make my own hydraulic puller with a small jack and chains?

best regards to all,
CaliforniaOldvo,
San Clemente California








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    Pulling Rear Drums..What is the TRICK? 444-544

    there is a trick that might get the hub apart easier, and you can field test the idea.
    heat the hub/shaft junction area, get it a little red if you can.
    then push an ordinary taper candle into the junction of the hot shaft and the hub.
    the candle will melt and wick into the joint and help remove the friction forces
    holding the hub in place. get plenty of wax all around that large surface area.
    then use whatever puller you have and see if you get joy. don't burn yourself.

    it worked for me to safely remove without damage a large pulley on a toro
    snowblower auger section that you could not get an ordinary puller on.
    i saved $80.00 by not destroying the large diameter pulley. it might help
    you? it's worth a try.

    good luck, bill








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    Pulling Rear Drums..What is the TRICK? 444-544

    I was taught, right or wrong, to tighten the puller as much as you can and then smack the center bolt a couple of good healthy blows with a small sledge hammer. This applies a solid inward shock to the axle. Then make sure the center bolt is good and tight and smack it again. Repeat as required.








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      Pulling Rear Drums..What is the TRICK? 444-544

      Thank you all. I should have said technique instead of trick.
      I now have enough information to give it another shot, so to speak.
      best regards from SoCal.
      CaliforniaOldvo








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        Pulling Rear Drums..What is the TRICK? 444-544

        One point--among the many fine points already mentioned -- sometimes TIME is needed for the drum to separate. Left overnight with pressure applied (put a "stop" in front of the rig) will often result in finding the drum and puller on the shop floor the next day. - Dave








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    Pulling Rear Drums..What is the TRICK? 444-544

    Steve, I’ve taken off a few of these hubs. My first try was on my 63 PV544 using a heavy duty three pronged puller. Of course it did not work.

    So, I built a puller out of thick plate that bolted to the hub using the five stud nuts. I welded a piece of pipe to the plate with a one inch nut to the other end of the pipe. Then used about a 4 inch long 1” bolt. That did the trick.

    Recently, I took apart a few badly rusted P210s and attempted to use my home built puller again, but even after heating and using an impact gun, the hubs would not separate after what must have been most likely 50 to 60 year of being stuck together. Then I realized that the puller I built had the 1 inch coarse thread and I could not exert enough force to pull the hub. So I built another puller with 1 inch fine thread bolt. Using the fine thread puller with an impact gun worked, but it still struggled.

    I think if I had to do it over again, I would modify the setup to mount a small hydraulic jack instead of the screw.

    So the short answer is that with sufficient force, they will come off, but you will need a very heavy duty puller. If you cannot make one, they are available but fairly pricy. I just could not justify the cost for very infrequent use.

    If you are able to fabricate something, I would recommend you go the hydraulic jack method, but make it very strong and be very careful to protect yourself while pulling the hub.

    Jim K








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    There is no TRICK, only use of proper tools and Techniques!! 444-544

    Steve;

    This is a well-known issue with 544, 122, and 1800 vehicles, which has to be addressed every time rear Drum Brakes need servicing...but STOP!! before proceeding ANY further!

    "beating on the drums with a small sledge around the the circumference" is a sure way to break the Drums, even before removing them!

    To remove Drum you must break the stretched-on tapered joint connection between Drumhub and Axle. This should ONLY be done using a proper Puller of the accepted type, and correct techniques, because high forces (at least!) need to be applied...sometimes, ultrahigh forces are necessary, and these will be enough to, if applied wrongly, damage, bend, or break things.

    I have captured everything you need to know...suggested reading BEFORE proceeding ANY further: https://www.sw-em.com/Brake_Drum_Notes.htm

    Good Hunting!








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      There is no TRICK, only use of proper tools and Techniques!! 444-544

      hi ron,

      i read your terrific write-up and applaud you for the fine job.

      i do have a comment that all anti-seize is not the same and the not so
      secret ingredient for high pressure/high temp applications is nickel and not
      graphite.
      look at this offering:
      https://www.ellsworth.com/products/by-manufacturer/bostik/lubricant-products/anti-seize/bostik-never-seez-pure-nickel-special-anti-seize-silver-1-lb-can/
      this might do better than the stuff at napa and other car parts stores.
      note in particular the resistance to salt and chemicals.
      you can see other bostik never-seez products there as well, one of them
      a nuclear grade.

      i'd call bostik tech support for suggestions for the best reassembly grease.

      cheers, bill








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        There is no TRICK, only use of proper tools and Techniques!! 444-544

        Bill;

        I am aware of the many variations of Anti-Seize compounds, specialized for particular jobs, and after careful consideration, recommend the graphite filled type for the tapered axle joint...I don't need nuclear or food grade for instance...but I do recognize some special requirements!

        My justification of the graphite filled type is twofold...for any medium to be effective come removal time, it must have a particulate component (any non-particulate filled could not be presumed to remain in place to contribute come removal time!), and the stratified nature of the graphite particulate molecule being able to shear while under compression forces...it seems to me that this is the precise mode necessary come removal time, when the astronomical compression forces of the tapered joint must still be overcome by the Puller...anyway, that, and the track-record that it was served me well for a loooong time and in many applications, is my explanation and justification...

        Thanks also for the kind words to my tech Article







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