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windshield wipers won't work & blow fuses 200 88

my front wipers don't work....removed the motor case and had glued back the magnets( they tend to break and separate from the casing) last year...motor worked fine for months....now, system blows fuses and doesn't work at all. checked the brushes that make contact on the winding..fine

do windings go bad???

could a relay be bad somewhere else????

pls..help








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Re: wipers won't work & blow fuses -wiper motor re-build notes (LONG) 200 88

The track everybody else is on (wiper bushings and relays) is certainly logical and will eventually lead you to the problem, but because you've just re-built the wiper motor let me point out some possibilities in that area as I've recently BTDT.

Originally, your wiper motor was probably either dead and blowing fuses or working like a slug. So you opened up the wiper motor expecting to do a lube job, and like my recent effort, you found a full r&r was needed as the magnets had taken a walk -in amongst some rust let me guess. Now most sane people head off to the bone yard at that point, but obviously not the likes of you or me. Those guys are just lazy wimps, right?

Now I'm fairly adept at small motor repair, yet it took me an embarassing number of attempts to get this motor running properly and the wiper operation realigned. Everything turned out perfect in the end, but I almost lost the patient and my patience a couple of times. My fixed operating costs in beer and nuts alone would probably have paid for a used one though.

What did you use to re-glue the magnets? -a mildly hostile environment in there if you ask me. Industrial strength contact cement was what I started with. I finally ended up clamping them into place with scraps of cast aluminum I pop riveted inside the case (use aluminum so there's no affect on the magnetic fields, right!). Don't worry about magnet polarity and forget about directly pop riveting those curved brittle magnets. Do worry about leaving room for the long case bolts though.

When you were done, did you test the motor all by itself with the main spindle removed? -you need to ground the case to do this. It should really whir with only a slight buzz -about like a fuel pump. Are you still fairly sure it's running freely after final installation -you may need to polish and lubricate the spindle shaft.

I also knocked out a fuse or two and was suspecting a perfectly fine wiper relay before I realized that the armature was pulling the glued magnets away just enough to permit scuffing and that the armature bushings weren't perfectly aligned. So check that the armature still turns freely. Lightly slam the motor squarely on four sides to get the bushings aligned just before and after you do the final tighten on the end cap. There's also an end shaft freeplay adjustment (nylon screw) on the gearcase, but I couldn't budge it so I used wafer thin washers on the armature to minimize some of the slop in the system.

Anyway, those are just a few thoughts in case you missed something.

Now once you've got it all running again without blowing fuses and flapping like it hasn't flapped in years, you'll likely have some wiper realignment problems or wiper control problems (like the intermittent wipe no longer happening). All this and more can be caused by misalignment of the contacts in the gearcase. A bit of trial and error will be needed to tweek these back properly. You may also have to pull the small plastic cam off the spindle and re-position it. Note all original positions and contact gaps before getting carried away here. Don't resort to changing the wiper arms positions until you are satisfied all the spindles are behaving properly. The trickiest bit is getting everything to park neatly at the bottom of the stroke.









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Re: windshield wipers won't work & blow fuses 200 88

Dave --

The w/w relay is tucked under the wiring harness cover on the extreme left floor, driver's side. It's about where your left foot rests.

Drop the felt kick pad, pull down the carpet, and you'll see a screwed-down panel about 6" wide (no need to remove it). A wiring harness tucks behind it from the top. Pull the harness up and you should find one or several relays plugged into connectors (both are probably wrapped in foam stuff).

Make a note of which relay plugs into which connector -- unplug them and see if you still blow the fuse. Find the offending relay, peel the foam off, and pop the cover. Examine it for evidence of moisture (like, can you pour water out of it).

You might be able to clean, dry, and resolder a wet relay (I have) or replace it. If this is the problem, you need to relocate the relays up under the dash AND find the leak.

The hole for the hood release cable has been mentioned as a problem. Others have found leaks around the windshield. And several people have mentioned finding leaks around the w/w shaft.








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Re: windshield wipers won't work & blow fuses 200 88

If you pull the relay out from under the footrest as described by Don, do yourself a favour and before you put it back, make a U bend in the wire bundle and reinstall it with the terminals pointing down. This will go a long way towards preventing moisture damage in the future. If You have a wagon, the rear wiper relay is in the same spot. Turn it right side up at the same time.

Regarding the blown fuse: The wiper shafts are prone to corrosion and seizing. This can also cause blown fuses. One way to check is to disconnect the wiper actuating rod from the motor shaft from under/behind the glove comp't. With this disconnected, see if the wipers can be moved easily by hand. If not, you might be able to lubricate the shafts (that the wiper arms attach to) by removing the arms and the rubber covers over the holes in the cowl, drilling a small hole (1/8" or less) in the soft white metal housing of the shaft (near the middle) and introducing oil. Work the shafts back and forth without forcing anything too much to get the oil working. Depending on the year, there may be a spring clip on the shaft to prevent it from disappearing inside the housing. It can help to remove this and work the shaft in and out to get the oil in where it can do some good. If this works, you could finish up by injecting some grease with a taper tipped grease gun. Plug the holes (thread the holes and insert approriate sized screw) and with luck you have avoided the major hassle of removing and disassembling/replacing the shaft units.








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Re: windshield wipers won't work & blow fuses 200 88

Ross --

I couldn't agree more about the relays -- I've simply tucked them up under the dash, making sure the harness doesn't get tangled in the wiper mechanism.

Another comment -- the uninitiated might do something drastic with the wiper actuator arm and pop the cables off the pulleys. Have you ever tried putting them back on? You'll find words you never realized you knew!

I've had good luck lubricating the shafts by removing the wiper arm and removing the "C" clip. Then you can push the shaft in perhaps 1/4" inch and oil inside the housing. The oil will seep down between the shaft and housing.

Then pull the shafts back, install the clips, and install the wiper arms.

Drilling the holes makes me uneasy (although I've never tried that way).







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