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Long stick m40-m41 140-160 1968

I have the older m40 with the long stick... How will this mess up the swap. Also, in a junk yard near me there are lots of old 240s, how would one of their trannys match up to my b20??? m46 possibly...?








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    Long stick m40-m41 140-160 1968

    The long stick top bolts right on to the M41. I'm using one in
    my 66 122 wagon. There is a switch that goes in the top of the lid
    to lock the OD out except in 4th gear. The later long-stick lids have
    the hole for it- the earlier ones don't.
    --
    George Downs, The "original" Walrus3, Bartlesville, Oklahoma








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      Long stick m40-m41 140-160 1968

      To make it a little easier even the earlier long stick lids do have a thick ring cast on the inside of the lid at the proper spot (even on my '63 PV tranny). I took the switch to a hardware store and tried on nuts until one fit (I forget the size - it was metric however) and bought a slightly smaller drill bit and a matching bolt. Then I drilled out the lid and ground on the bolt to make a budget tap. That cut some perfectly servicable threads in the hole and the switch screwed right in.

      M46's are a different story - there is no way to convert them to a long shifter setup (at least without a lot of Frankenstein-ish fabrication) so in addition to mounting it to the engine with the proper rare bellhousing you would have to chop out and replace the tunnel in your car to make room for the remote short shifter.








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        Long stick m40-m41 140-160 1968

        so much for backward compatibility.....

        Looks to me like a nice airscoop would have been SO much easier
        than laying the engine over and making things on the intake side
        so hard to get to! And that (rant! rave!!) was only the first step -
        then they had the out-and-out GALL to stick the cotton picker in there
        SIDEWAYS!! Must have really HURT!! My poor cars could not have stood
        it!!
        --
        George Downs, The "original" Walrus3, Bartlesville, Oklahoma








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          Progress, evolution, etc... 140-160 1968

          George,

          Please don't take this personally, but the OHC engines are superior to the OHV's in almost every way conceivable. More powerful, lower emissions, better fuel economy, and improved reliability. We have one of the "infamous" early B230s, and even with its smaller main bearings (as compared to the B23) it has performed flawlessly for in excess of 250k miles now. I wonder how many cams (and cam gears!) and valves a B18/B20 would have gone through in that time.

          Please don't yell at me too loud. :-)








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            Progress, evolution, etc... 140-160 1968


            The cams / lifters on B20s are not poorly designed -- they
            were poorly made. There is a simple repair that seems to
            completely solve the problem -- use IPD lifters.

            Similarly, the timing gear is just like a timing belt except
            there is the option of installing a steel gear in place of
            the fiber gear, removing the need to ever replace the gear
            again.

            I'll wager that 90% of the advantages that the slanted
            motors have comes from the fuel delivery system and not the
            valve drive system. They share pistons, cranks, have similar
            sized and shaped combustion chambers. The only things different
            between them is the material of the head and the way the valves
            get pushed up and down.

            If I put a modern fuel injection system, electronic ignition,
            and installed a cat on my B20, it would pollute just as little
            as a B230.

            How many timing belts are you going to replace on yours when
            I don't have to replace any on mine? How much of a pain in
            the ass is it to adjust the valves when I can do it with a
            wrench and a screwdriver? How much is your motor hurt by
            overheating (warped head) when mine won't be hurt at all?
            chris








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              Progress, evolution, etc... 140-160 1968

              Having the intakes on one side and the exhaust ports on the other allows them a little more room and they make less abrupt curves coming from the valves out to the manifold. And there is less mass in the valvetrain for the valve springs to return agsints. So higher revs and thus more power is a possibility with an OHC engine. Although it doesn't really seem like they take advantage of that ability, 16V versions possibly excepted. At the level of development they left the factory with there isn't much of an advantage.

              On my PV engine I had an IPD lifter go bad on an IPD street perf cam. Can't really tell which one went bad first - typical flat lobe situation. The cam and lifters probably had about 25K miles or so on them.








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            Progress, evolution, etc... 140-160 1968

            I think all he is saying is that if they left them upright (and north-south in the 850-on cars) that we could swap them into our older cars just as easily as we swap B18's for B20's.








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          Long stick m40-m41 140-160 1968

          Pity one of those earlier attempts at a minivan put out by toyota. They took a front engined RWD truck chassis and built a convention FWD style body on top of it. This involved not only leaning the engine over but actually laying all the way onto its side. And cramming said engine into a very cramped compartment underneath the floor. Apparently they are somewhat prone to catching fire.








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    Long stick m40-m41 140-160 1968

    You would need one of the very very rare M46 to B20 bell housings out of a '75 240 with M46. Most of those cars had the M40/41 though. Every so often someone puts one up for sale at a premium.







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