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M41 Noise/Oil Update 140-160

The other day I mentioned my noise situation with my M41. I couldn't find any Redline oil in town so I drained all the ATF out of the transmission itself, not takeing off OD cover. Installed 80-90W. It helped a bunch. Also there was nothing on the magnetic plug after about 1000 miles of ATF. Is a mixture of ATF and 80-90W a problem?

Another issue is that the car has some junkie repacement carpet with not much pad perhaps reducing the sound insulation. Could that be a factor?

Mark Richardson
Hutchinson, Kansas








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I forget....does your overdrive work? If so, I suspect it won't for long. They don't like that 80/90 gear oil a bit...especially in a cold area such as where you are.

Were I you, I'd be getting rid of that thick oil right quick and go with some good old fashioned straight 30. Or straight 40. Try to plug any holes that let teh sounds come in....

Of course, if the OD is out anyhow...don't worry about it.

-Matt








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Hey Mark,

I'm wishing I had an M41 setup instead of funky unknown automatic in my 70 145S project. Gonna work on that!

My Volvo manual says to take the whole bottom pan off bottom of the overdrive to drain the oil and check and clean the intake screen. From the diagram, there does appear to be a gasket so you might want to arm yourself with a replacement gasket before attempting this. (Draining the oil hot is advised.) On filling, put pan and tranny bottom plug back in, then fill slowly through tranny fill plug. OD will fill from tranny. Fill to trann fill plug overflow.

If you find a bunch of metal debris, then you will know that the clock is ticking and as was pointed out, probably better to fix before too much more damage is done. If there's no debris, and noise is minimal then you can breathe easier. The bearing may be failing, but it could still go for a long time. I drove over 50k miles with the input bearing on my 260Z diffy growling and shaking. Finally changed the whole diffy cause it was too annoying and speed limiting. It never did generate metal debris into the oil.

I don't know about mixing gear oil and ATF, but would recommend you drain both chambers and refill with Redline MTF gear oil. The stuff is light viscosity so it won't violate the 30W recommendation so badly, but it has excellent anti-wear properties for gearboxes. I'm using it with excellent results in wife's Jetta that used to grind gears terribly on shifting with 85W-140.

A client of mine had a major industrial lube system get all slimy and funky from mixing Chevron hydraulic oil with Chevron turbine oil. Who would have thought? Anyway, probably better not to mix more than you can help.

Later,
Al








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Thanks for the help-I guess the high mile guys mentioned in previous go around on this issue are from warmer climates. I need to work the motor over anyway, when I got the car the air cleaner was too small for the canister so it was like not having one. Compression is down, 135,110,135, & 100 so we need to take it all out and fix everything.

I can't find any Redline stuff in town (A speed shop can order case lots) so will compromise with straight 40W. How about that?

Mark Richardson








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I would think that you'd really really want something
rated for gearbox operation and not motor operation.
Gearboxes have brass in them and see really high
pressures while motors don't have brass in them and
have lots of stuff slipping around and need to deal
with combustion byproducts. They both need to be oily
but otherwise live in very different worlds.

I would think that the overdrive would be happy with
mobil 1 than with straight gear oil. I put mobil 1
motor oil in my M400 and it didn't shift as well; when
I drained the fluid it was full of brass. I put
mobil 1 gear oil in and it has been okay (though no
syncros on first...)
chris







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