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Remove intake manifold? What else?

On a 1989 740, non-turbo, 90,000 miles I have been consistently getting codes 2-3-1 and 1-1-3 about 10-20 miles after clearing them. Engine fully warm evarhthing fine; the light just appears...no running problems at all. This is a very predictable pattern.

I have a new O2 sensor, new AMM, cleaned throttle body and IAC, set TPS, cleaned and tightened most grounds--car runs fine...

There is occasionally on starting at about 40-50 degrees temp a fluctuating idle--after 15 seconds at 1,000 rpm it begins to swing from 500 and almost stalling then surging to 1,300 and then back down. This lasts for a minute or 2 until it starts to warm up and then settles to about 800 rpm, very quiet and nice. This pattern is intermittent, about 1 evry 4 starts

What i've read on Brickboard points me to the engine temperature sensor, which I have not yet gotten to to check. My theory--I am new to this--is that the sensor which is normally not a part of the controls picture during warm running occasionally malfucntions enough (because it sometimes doesn't work in controlling the idle on the cold starts) to make the engine run rich and set the code. Nothing else is going on except this minor hiccup.

Does that theory make sense? Anything else going on here?

If the engine temp sensor is a supect, do I have to remove the manifold in order to get decent access to it? What do I check for?...just follow the FAQ on the topic for readings? Are there other critical connectors in the wiring harness to check? Would it show an abnormal reading if it was not in one of its malfunction modes?

And if I need to take off the intake manifold, should I plan on doing other jobs under there that are easier when it is removed?

I'd appreciate any advice.....








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    Remove intake manifold? What else?

    Rod, interesting that I found your post on a search. I have exactly the same car... model and year, and am experiencing the same problem with my idle when starting cold. I just did my motor mounts and had cleaned the oil breather box and carb while under the hood. The car started exhibiting the problem you describe after completing my work. I do not have an answer for you but was headed toward the temp sensor myself. I will be pulling the intake manifold anyway as I have a crumbling gasket and want to replace it. From what I saw when doing the motor mounts you should be able to get at the sensor without pulling the intake, as long as you get most of the other stuff out of the way.

    I hope your post gets responses so we both can solve the problem.
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    Chas Mike, former '85 760 Diesel (loved it!); now '89 740GL 230k and counting







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