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posted by Kane, "With so many cars out there, I can't comment anything without some insight as to what she really desires out of a car. Safety is prolly a concern, but is performance? New or used? Handling? Long term maintenance? DIY friendly? Space? Popularity?
As for the brake rotors warping ... if it's one of those chains with a rotate tires/oil change specials, that'll explain it all. None of those places will care about properly lug nut torque. And for the record, it ain't just Volvo's that have that issue. Many cars with ventilated brakes prematurely warp for that reason - a little while ago, my co-worker's Accord had that, 1k after getting his tires rotated at a "famous" quick-lube place. If there was any clue, my torque wrench was still clicking at even 110 ft./lb.
-- Kane ... since that, he's learning the DIY route. "
That brake rotor problem is a frustrating situation. One of our Toyotas suffers the same thing IF it is not done properly. NOTE what I am saying here also about this. My Mom's Volvo has had this same overtorquing of the rotors and the resulting warpage, from a Volvo dealer - KEYSTONE VOLVO, of Berwyn, PA. Keystone runs the lugs down with impact guns and torque sticks. Their motto is, "We Demand Excellence." But they don't give excellence !!! Now isn't that ironic for a Volvo dealer, always stressing that warped Volvo rotors happen at the "other" repair shops. Yeah, right!!!!!!!!!!
Anyway back to the other good cars question, let me try to start this thread over and explain something I forgot to mention. First, my apologies to ALL Volvo enthusiasts. My intent is not to be posting about non Volvos at a Volvo forum (No sacrilege intend!). But it is because of the knowledge about many cars that you guys know about that I ask.
Personally, I have a 89, 245 Wagon (and other Volvos are in the family) that I am slowly restoring (slowly for various reasons). Myself, I like this car, as well as, other model Volvos. But we do not live in a Volvo only world. I have tried to talk some of my friends as to the integrity of a pre FOMOCO built Volvo - but old habits die hard! I can't force them to buying one. As for myself, I was interested in modifying the 245, if needed, into a camping vehicle, but I did not receive any replies of any substance, so I am considering getting another vehicle just for that purpose. Regretfully Volvo did not make any SUV's in the past, so there is no such used vehicle to consider. I was hoping that my current wagon with a 3:73 rear, was Ltd Slip, but no knows how to tell if it is. A Ltd Slip 2WD is sufficient for camping. (I prefer that to FWD or standard SWD).
As for Mom, she just got spooked. I had her convinced to get another Volvo but then she saw this SAAB and now is on a SAAB quest. When she pressed on the cup holder and it came out of the dash like a CDROM drive and then unfolded it just blew her away. Good almighty, I thought, what will they think of next. Sorry, I do my Volvo best.
So please forgive the non intentional sacrilegiousness. If I can't get people to look at Volvos, then I need to get the next best thing, and was hoping you guys might know of some "particular" good non Volvo vehicles. Consumer reports lists both recommended cars and vehicles to avoid. Toyotas and Volvos seem to never be on the bad list and are usually on the good list - at least one or two models for every price range. Most of the bad vehicles seem to be US made, but there are also good US made cars on the list. The US does seem to make the better SUV's. Ironic huh, when you think of how much we stress buying US made goods as being synonymous with good quality - go figure.
Anyway, if my apologies are accepted, perhaps you might have some insight into these other vehicles.
So, to answer Kane's question, about specifics, I would say Mom is looking for these priorities in a vehicle: safety #1, dependability #2, Comfort #3, Fuel economy #4 (like 4 cylinders for that reason). I know, that points to a Volvo. Oh well, I try. So, the question remains. It's both ironic and complimentary that I ask this question at a Volvo web site.
Thanks,
Bruce
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