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Straight Veggie Oil / Biodiesel Conversions 200

Clayton,

I do not pretend to be absolved from causing pollution. In other posts I condemned the use of ethanol and biodiesel, because they still burn oxygen, and emit greenhouse gasses. I also said they are only good for local employment and reducing dependence on external oil sources.

"All the little people like you will not make a dent in that." - Ok, assuming I was doing something to reduce emmissions, I alone would not make a difference. But it is that attitude that makes changes take forever to happen. What would happen if more people made a difference?

You still say money is a better reason for war than the others? I say the only reason for war is to reduce death and suffering in the long run.

No I do not live in the "US like the rest of [you[". I live in Australia, where we do not have smog problems, and as such I am worried more about the long term effects of greenhouse gas emmissions, than short term NOx or other smog causes.

"The commies, who you obviously like..." Ah, that's ironic, my mates know me as quite right of center. But if the left could put up anyone worthy of a vote here, they'd get mine over Howard any day.

You use the argument that growing fuel wastes crop space that would otherwise be used for food. That doesn't work, for the following reasons. Both the US and Australia are fat nations. Not only do we consume too much, we also WASTE too much. And here's the killer point - There is EASILY enough food now, to feed the whole world's population if it were distributed evenly, which is a difficult task. Space is not so precious as you have indicated, whereby swapping one paddock to fuel production will make a dent in your McDonalds meal.

"While you grow food into fuel, inedible petroleum sits underground, while thousands starve to death every day." Those two facts aren't related.

Your argument that machines are used in biofuel production is balanced by those used in oil mining. More so because most of it comes from the Middle East, quite a way from your bowser.

Thousands die every day due to governments causing starvation and war. Not a global lack of food. And no, I do not blame your government for world poverty, I'm talking about the governments in the affected areas.

If you really want to talk more, although I don't see the point as we're both decided, you can email me at julian265(at)optusnet.com.au.

Julian






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