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yep...and it maybe that you just got a bad one...like i said for every average one there has to be a good one and a bad one..the bad one is awfull, the good one is great...perhaps that was just a bad design, perhaps you had a bad shop...
and its seems to methat if you killed two clutches in 170k and two engines...well either the whole engineering was so marginal that its untrue, the maintenance was crap or it was something in the usage pattern..
i was talking in generalities the exception proves the rule....
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If quality control is pretty decent, the range of quality "out the door" won't vary drastically. Not to the point that you have to assume 1 awful, 1 avg, and 1 great for each three sold. We had 2 bad engines in a row. Coincidence??
Of course some would say it was not enough engine for the weight of vehicle. Maybe true. Engineering and marketing should have recognized that before releasing to the public, not consumers after the fact.
We used two different Chrysler shops. Not to mention others for oil changes, mufflers, etc. A variety of techs tended that minivan.
Transmission needed replacement 1/2 way through. When I sold it, it had just gotten the new clutch, and shifting was horrible. I suspected it needed a tranny again. Did not want to wait to find out!
You should havle seen the stupid, sheet-metal emergency brake pedal lever/bracket. Bent after a couple years. After another couple years we had it replaced by the dealer. Guess what?? New lever/bracket was exactly the same. Not beefed up in any way. And I refuse to believe that we were the only owners with bent levers. The thing was so tinny, it should have never gotten of the drawing board that way.
Clutch cable bracket:
Cable runs from pedal, thru firewall, over bracket, then down towards destination.
Bracket is located immediately below windshield wash reservoir.
Gets wet when fluid is spilled over (don't tell me you never did that).
After several years, bracket rusted and weakened, and bent one day when pedal was depressed.
Shop replaced bracket with identical one. No change in materials or finish.
Guaranteed to rust soon again!
Which it did. I replaced it myself that next time.
I bought a couple spare brackets, and painted for preservation for future use.
So, as I wrote earlier, don't assume that just because a bunch of engineers designed it, skilled laborers built it, and a couple governments approved it, that a vehicle is well-designed, well-made, or will serve you well for the long term.
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