Yes. I have fitted these with the brim tucked through the hole but it always seems to distort the boot at the point it goes through the hole. If you have the heater trunking, that can stretch and distort it even more. This is also the point where they always split as the boot material is thin here and moves with every gear change. The early grey boots may be more durable but I think the change to the black boot came with the addition of the heater trunking. Are they the same shape as the grey boots, I've not compared the two. If there are any aftermarket black boots, do they have the felt inner lining?