The point is, using flash in that manner is really not even trying. It's lame, pointless, needless, and an expensive waste. Flash is fine, but give me a way around it.

The point is, if you're going to setup an 'e-commerce' server, you might as well set it up properly. Self-signed SSL certificates have no place on a publically accessable production server.

I'm giving them crap because in IPD's case they left a really large security hole in their web site. No amount of excuses makes that a good idea.

I'm giving MVP crap, because instead of spending some money on a reasonable site that's viewable (or at least useable) across many browsers, they probably paid *more* money to have someone hack up some tacky looking flash driven site that's explicitly unuseable elsewhere. You don't honestly expect me to believe that flash development is cheap, do you?

The number of people outright using Konqi is probably pretty small. But now you've got all the OSX people using Safari (which uses a slightly tweaked khtml to render eveything). Not only that, khtml is quite standards compliant. Look at wired's web site. They used CSS and (I believe) XHTML to ensure that their web site was consistant across as many platforms as possible. No nasty browser detection, no nasty flash, nada. It just works, it's not freakin rocket science.

You missed the point here. I don't expect perfection when I use w3m or links. I expect it to work. Two out of the three financial institutions I do business with have web sites that are completely functional with w3m and links. I can pay my cc, transfer money between accounts, view checks, etc with w3m and links. It doesn't look pretty, but it works.

I also don't expect perfection with Konqy (and Safari), but I expect that I shouldn't have to configure one to pretend to be MSIE in order to view a web site. Bank of America is a great example of this. Their web site looks reasonable in Konqy, renders okay in a text-based browser, and is useable in all of the above but they use some browser detection code to prevent anyone not using anything other than Navigator or MSIE 4.x or newer from even trying to use their site. This is even crazier because the 4.x browsers have absolutely HORRIBLE html and css support.

I occasionally do web design for money. I can tell you that both the professional and personal sites I've done may not be the glitziest.. but they're all readable (and look as they were intended to look) and completely useable on most all platforms.

- alex

'85 244 Turbo