Hi Mark Thanks that was a very clear answer... I actually understood all of the terms!!! The mechanics have checked for a draw and no luck finding one. I must say the alternator dosn't seem to have been a needed replace but since then they have been chasing the draw "for "free" we all know any car in the shop is never free.So I guess yes and no I did pay for the not driving it advice. It has been tough. I will tell them about your idea of the glove box... they seem to think it is a intermitant draw. I do only work a mile from the house and usually walk or bike I only go on the free way once a week or less so actually it is a very senior citizan lifestyle. I am sure it dosn't help but like i said i do trickle charge. Thanks again for you imput!!! Buckley