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Hi, My 89 240 Wagon automatic has been stalling. Few times within minute or 5 of starting. It started back up again. One time it didn't start until towed to garage, then it started. The engine was turning over, just not starting.
My mechanic, who I am new customer to, said they would change the fuel pump relay, the injection relay, and the crank sensor. I don't want to spend the $300 to guess and try right away.

I've read as many of the notes as I can.
Seems that the ECU is a main suspect. Mine is a 951 series, not 561 noted as prone to problems.

For now I am going to change the fuel pump relay since it's only about $30.
What do you think about the ECU as a possibility? I've seen them on e-bay. Any recommendations on buying them there?

Any thing else I should look for? Thanks for your help in what seems to be a common problem.








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    240 Random Stall 200 1989

    Your '89 doesn't have an impulse sender on the distributor, so that's not a worry. But you do have the 25 amp fuse, fuse holder, and wiring in the coil/battery area. Those items are known suspects the older they are.

    The Fuel (Injection) relay is also a known suspect. It's actually 2 relays in one case. The Fuel part is usually the culprit, and can be bypassed for testing by connecting a jumper wire between the Left side contacts of fuses 4 and 6.

    This jumper also bypasses the 25 amp fuse, so it often can get a stalled car running. With secure alligator clip ends on the jumper wire you might even drive it like that (people have done it with a paper clip).

    The RPM sender (aka crank position sender) is only $30 at FCP Groton, and is long overdue for replacement if it's the original.
    --
    Bruce Young
    '93 940-NA (current), 240s (one V8), 140s, 122s, since '63.








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    impulse sender? 200

    The impulse sender in the distributor messed me around for about six months once. Car would start and run fine but then just not start at the supermarket, causing a tow home. It would then start after a couple of hours and run fine.

    Then it began to stall right in mid-flight. Let it sit for a half hour and it would start and run fine again.

    Local mechanic found the snag by bringing a second distributor around to the car and hooking it up when it stalled a block away from his garage.

    I think the impulse sender was reacting to heat from the engine and making and breaking contact.

    Bob








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      impulse sender? 200

      The "impulse sender" this post and the previous one refer to is a hall effects sensor and your '89 does not have one. It was replaced in the LH 2.4 fuel injection system your car has by the crank position (RPM) sensor which is located on adjacent to the flywheel at the back of the engine. It isn't really hard to change, but it is a difficult spot to get to and requires ratchet extensions etc.

      This mechanic just wants to throw some parts and expensive labor at it in hopes he gets lucky. If not, he still gets paid. I'll bet you full set of new fuses it is not your ECU.

      Take a look at troubleshooting (particularly for LH 2.4) in the 700/900 FAQ to be found under LINKS and FEATURES at the top right of this page. Many '89 700 series cars had this same engine and fuel injection setup. Also read about getting your car to tell you stored trouble codes by reading the section about on board diagnostics (OBD). Your car can tell you what's wrong with it sometimes.

      One easy thing you can do yourself is to remove each fuse from your fuse box and clean the both the ends of the fuse and the fuse holders gently with a small wire brush, sandpaper, or steel wook. I had a similar problem in my 240 that (after checking many, more difficult items) turned out to be caused by a slightly corroded fusebox so the fuse for the fuel pump would lose contact occasionally. The car would stall and then restart. Sometimes it would be a while before it would restart.
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      Andy in St. Paul. '89 244 160K mi, '91 745 209K, '91 745 213K








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    240 Random Stall 200

    I had the same problem with one of my 1984 244's ,however I'm not sure if the ignition systems are the same. On mine it turned out to be the pick-up in the distributor. Replaced it and no problems.

    Good Luck.
    --
    1984-244 GL with 192K and 1984-244 GL with 260K, 67 Mustang and 62 F- 250 4x4








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    240 Random Stall 200

    Well, used fuel relay, $3-10, CPS from FCPGroton at $40 or so (and pretty easily self-installed) would be my first guesses and moves. What fuel injection relay? ECU is notorious in '89s but usually 561 as you know, and usually a full no-start condition. ECU failure is very common, but I do not think it is your problem at all.








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    240 Random Stall 200

    in my service manuals from volvo/87 240 volvo warns that the ECU is the least suspected culprit, it's actually the very last thing on the list to check...the most likely things are ignition components/ air leaks in intake system such as loose broken hoses/ evap hoses , even the ones coming off gas tank (a problem that i had, that i never thought to check until i found a s shaped metal hose connecter hanging of the brake cable near the differential, this problem caused me months of aggravation and i didn't even know about it, so check all hoses and simple things, fuel injection components are designed for an extremely long life and hardly ever fail, i mean the do but my manuals say cheek them last.







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