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speedometer trouble 900 1993

Hi. The speedometer doesn't work in my 1993 945T. 145k miles. I did the diagnostic test as described in the FAQ (below) by shorting the wires as indicated. No reading was measured on the speedometer. I therefore ordered a used 1994 940t instrument cluster (125 k miles on the clock). Swapped them today but this one did not register any speed either. So either the new speedometer is also bad or the problem is elsewhere. I tested the wires between the connector in the trunk area and the instrument cluster for continuity and they are okay. I have not tested the rear sender unit in any way yet. But, the short test procedure doesn't seem consistent with the other info in the FAQ saying that someone recorded an AC voltage from the sender with the car moving. (This is also pasted below.) So what should I do next? I tried disconnecting the sender and driving the car, but the ABS (brake) light did not come on (the light does work). Does the sender unit put out a pulsed closed signal (like the short test would suggest) or a pulsed voltage signal (like the AC voltage reading would suggest)?

Thanks
Steve


" C. Fault location.
REAR SENDER TEST:
Faults are usually either in the gage itself or the rear sender.
A very effective and easy way to diagnose the rear sender is to disconnect the rear connector on the differential case and connect two long pieces of wires to the plug coming from the vehicle wiring, bring the “extension” wires inside the car, start the car, and start shorting the wires at a pace of 4-5 shorts per second. If the gage is OK you should start to read a speed over 15MPH. The faster you short, the higher the speed.
If you have a reading, then STOP HERE, and instead of tearing your dash apart, remove the rear sender unit, clean it using DeOxIt electronics cleaner (available at Radio Shack and good electronics stores) or eventually replace it (and while you are at it change your rear differential oil!). See the notes in the Instruments FAQ File on replacement of the rear sensor connectors, which become corroded. Volvo sells replacements."


"[Tip] I had a dead speedo and odometer. Using my digital volt meter, I switched it to 10 volts AC range. I had a friend hold the leads where the wires go into the speedometer. I drove up to approximately 15mph, and as I did, the needle smoothly moved up towards 1 volt. As I slowed down, the voltage dropped smoothly as well. As far as I can tell, this means that the pulse generator in the rear end is working fine, as is the wiring that comes from it. If I had known this beforehand, it would have saved me major headaches. Now I can just concentrate on getting the speedometer fixed. [Editor] Make sure that there is no corrosion at the rear sensor connector. If there is, spray with electronic deoxidizer and clean it. You can take off the old plug and rewire it with new connectors that you can seal up with silicone sealer.[W Jepsen] After my speedo failed, I tried testing the sensor signals with an oscilloscope. They appeared fine. After installing a new speedo which failed to fix the problem, I installed a used sender and wire pigtail from Revolvostore ($30). That did the trick. Seems that the sender can show up with an oscilloscope test but not a good enough signal to power the speedometer. See the FAQ File from Davide D. on testing the rear sensor and isolating faults. [A Buxton] If you still have the tamper proof wire on the connector at the rear axle, cut it off. Over time it cuts into the sensor wire. [Rick Zimmerman] A really easy way to eliminate the speed sensor as a suspect in a speedometer failure is to disconnect its connector in the trunk. The signal from the speed sensor also goes to the ABS circuit. If your ABS light does not light up until you disconnect the speed sensor and goes out as soon as you reconnect it, then your speed sensor signal must be OK."








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    speedometer trouble 900 1993

    if you are reading CONTINUIUTY between the signal wires at the sender and the and cluster and still no speed registering you have a bad sensor at the axle.








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      time for another away with automotive automation rant 900 1993

      hi sages- read with interest this thread and i commend the erudite instruction. still seems though that this speedometer conundrum caused by the unnecessary replacing of the tried and true cable speedometer with this electronic rube goldberg device(old fuds here would know the meaning of that). have repaired many cable speedometers easily in my garage w/o taking out a mortgage to get soaked by a dealer or indie. with a cable speedo you either unbolted the cable sheath and replaced the internal cable and/or replaced the speedo in the cluster. both were available at auto stores or the dealer and eureka it was good for another 100k. lubing the new cable with light grease was a good idea too. took about an hour . parts cost was low and certainly not the$6-800 shysters want to fix the electronic gizmos on the later 240s. mystery remains to wit- how is the electronic an improvement over the cable speedo. forget the sales hype. it belongs in the junkyard of bad ideas with the hydraulic clutch, 240 blower motor location , and interference engines to name a few. occassionally i see an article or a thread dealing with reverse engineering in automobiles which are very interesting. do i need an attitude adjustment? i invite your analysis and critiques. thanks tons oldduke








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        thanks for the warning this is rant 900 1993

        Yes, I agree technology has just gone nuts! Bad enough we got used to horseless carriages, but a telephone in your pocket??








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          thanks for the warning this is rant 900 1993

          hi arty b-youre welcome. always good to hear from you. you combine great knowledge and a great sense of humor- youre in my league. true while a bit of a rant, there is basic truth in it. many systems have been updated in cars since the so called good old days, but many are anomalous improvements which merely make it very difficult for ingenious backyard mechanics to repair without resorting to an overcharging clip joint. the speedometer is an example. can you tell me how it is an improvement over the cable one. i would like to see repairablility and resultant high repair costs factored into so called improvements in automobiles. at least id like to see this factored into test report articles in car mags. rarely have. told pop and moe this once and they told me to give up ,shut up and pay up.maybe they were talking about matrimony. and they were in the generation that stopped the axis! who is right? thanks tons oldduke








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            thanks for the warning this is rant 900 1993

            Ah, so you're a Boomer and your parents were part of the Greatest Generation. All this time I thought for sure you went to Harvard and were not quite old enough to be a classmate of ee cummings.

            Since the OPINIONS section of the BB has moved on from the Okefenoke to the Dismal, I don't have many reservations about posting this here in RWD.

            You are absolutely right. The secrets of repair of just about everything made today are jealously guarded by the corporations manufacturing our products. There are all kinds of profit motives, not the least of which is a dealer service network.

            The attitude is pervasive. You know, regulation is despised by the corporations and not too skillfully embraced by consumers, and any attempts at it are viewed as red. Check out Ifixit.com for some of the meager legislative efforts toward the "Right to Repair" we here on the BB would support. The corporations have plenty of convincing rebuttals when lobbying for their position; such as safety, trade secrets, and security.

            Where I don't agree is in citing technology's advancement as a reason in itself for not fixing your stuff. If the information is made available (repair procedures, design and function, firmware, etc.) not knowing how to apply it or ignoring the tools is not their fault.








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              thanks for the warning this is rant 900 1993

              hi art - got a genuine kick out of you message. actually agree with most of it. didnt go to harvard but did go to rutgers, the poor mans harvard. early boomer and progeny of the greatest gen. have read ee cummings a very bitter literati. seems he was totally fed up. wrote in lower case as a protest against everything. i dont feel that way, but use lower case since im lazy. dont tell anybody though. will look up Ifixit.com . cant find specific repair manuals anymore for appliances. heard this stuff for cars is on cds and dvds and has the the real know how for repairs,but its only available if youre a pro in the trade and subscribe to it($$). luckily the 240 bentley book isnt bad but has big gaps. this board remains the best source. i dont oppose tech but it has to be a real improvement not just a profit enhancer via dealer shops. keep up the good work . thanks tons oldduke








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    speedometer trouble 700 1991

    I replaced the caps in my speedo, and then tried the shorting wire test (to simulate the sender), but got no results on the speedo. After actually fixing the speedo and then trying the test, I still go no response. Tracing the circuits and using my brain, I figured out that that test shouldn't really work with my type of speedo. I injected a 1kHz signal into the S+ terminal (after satisfying the power needs) and got an indication of 90MPH. I'll see if I can post details of my adventure.

    Later,
    Carl








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      speedometer trouble 700 1991

      Yes, the "wire shorting test" is one of those things someone tried and perhaps got to work because of ambient electrical noise level or wire length, but certainly not a reliable method. The meter needs an AC input to work.

      http://cleanflametrap.com/speedo7.html
      --
      Art Benstein near Baltimore

      Engineering says: "Requires further analysis and management attention."
      Engineers meant: Totally out of control.








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        speedometer trouble 700 1991

        I have a PDF (with marked-up pictures and text) of my discoveries during my successful speedometer repair process. Is there a way for me to share this with the group? It could be a valuable addition to the speedometer repair document section.

        Thanks,
        Carl








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    speedometer trouble 900 1993

    Have you looked at the sensor itself to ensure that the wires emerging from it are not broken or corroded? This is a frequent occurrence.
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    See the 700/900 "FAQ" at the menu bar top screen left side.








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      speedometer trouble 900 1993

      Hello

      I finally looked at the connector and wires for the speed sensor on the rear axle. The wires and connector appear fine. (I tested for continuity between the connector in the trunk and the connector at the speed sensor.) I cleaned them up anyway, but the speedometer doesn't read any value when driving.

      As the FAQ suggested, I unplugged the connector and drove the car - however no brake light came on.

      How can I diagnose if the speed sensor is bad? The FAQ seem to have conflicting info. Should I see an AC voltage from the sensor when the car is moving?

      Finally, how can I get the speed sensor out? I removed the allen bolt and was able to twist the sensor, but it didn't come out. Will oil come out when the sensor is removed?

      Thanks
      Steve







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