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Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700

Okay so I installed the R-134a conversion kit added the 3 cans of 134a and the oil charge plus an "right side up" charge of 134a.

Guess what? It still blows hot!

I know the compressor is going and the a/c fan kicks on, but the output is the same semi-heated air that I get when I just turn on the vent.

Any suggestion?








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    Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700

    The FAQ section on a/c probs is very good at these kinds of issues...After reading through them, it could be a number of issues. Did you do the work yourself? Use leak detector dye? Change all the seals? How long was the R12 out of the system? The chemical composition of R134 has smaller molecules than R12 and is more prone to finding leaks in the system. You've got more problems here..Too much 134..Is the system "balanced?" What year is your car?








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    Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700

    You should have around 32 oz of refrigerant in the system for an R134a conversion. And that is on the upper end.

    The R134 conversion banks on about 80% of the R12 capacity. Given that, you'd be looking for 32 oz or maybe one or two either way (I think system capacity is 40oz or around there). The best way is to charge by pressure with a high/low manifold set. Unfortunately that isn't always practical or possible for some people to do, so getting as close to what you think the charge would be is crucial.

    The old R12 charging rules are out the window with R134. If you overcharge it even very little, the system will blow warm air and it will also blow something up eventually.

    As a rule of thumb, you should strive for 2 or 2.5 x ambient air temp for the high side pressure, when a gauge is available. That is only for the R134a conversion, however, not a factory R134 system.
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    1992 940 wagon, 72k
    as well as others.








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    Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700

    He's talking about the expansion tube but I do not know if your 700 uses the expansion valve or the tube. You can't be compressing the refrigerant, then expanding it and not have cooling, although the heater valve is a good idea. With the heat off (AC off), is hot air made? Is the compressor not compressing? That you find out from the gauge pressures.
    You also have to dump the heat resulting from compression to the surroundings and need a clean heat exchanger, the condenser, so remove debris and dirt with a hose.
    I suspect the compressor is bad and the high side pressure might be no different from low side. Hope it is the heater valve though.








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      Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700

      The system produces hot air with everything off.

      According to the repair place (I took it in to get a diagnostic on several things) they said the compressor was fine, but it had a small leak.

      If I want to test the pressure, how do I go about this?








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    Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700

    Could check your heater control valve ive heard of one never seen or checked on it, I myself have done 2 diff types of conversion's to my volvos one the volvo way one the oem way, the oem way blows way colder then the volvo way but they both work, both my ac compressors when the kick on with full oil make a clikcing type sound the entire time they are on ( id call it more a grinding sound but thats me ) you also could check to see if you have a leak somewhere, also there is this little thing i had to replace in one of the pipes long yellow/ white thing make sure you put it in the right direction or it wont get cold, otherwiswe it's got to have something to do with your compressor if all elese fails.








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      Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700

      Hmmm.

      I didn't get a long white anything.








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      Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700

      Hmmm.

      I didn't get a long white anything.








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        Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700


        My 1989 740 Turbo had an expansion tube - you need to replace that. If you didn't have one, I'd be very surprised. Maybe it's why you A/C never worked in the first place.

        When I did this conversion, I replaced ALL the seals (not just the ones that came with the kit), the drier (comes with the kit), the expansion valve (don't remember if it came with the kit) and the condensor (old one was borderline and was "only" $120.00 so I replaced it). I cleaned the whole system best I could with 99% isopropyl (sue me), let it dry over night in the driest air place I could find mid-summer (my A/C'd bedroom) then poured the oil from the kit into the compressor, put it all back together. Prayed. Filled it with 3 cans 134a (I believe I UNDER filled it on purpose, hoping it just worked and would get a profressional refill if it ever stopped working) and turned it on. VERY COLD! I was impressed. I believe the new condensor helps ALOT.

        I think you're going to have to open'er up again and check whether or not you have the expansion valve in there at all, or in the right way at least - it matters as someone else mentioned. Use a new one. If you see metal bits on the old one - again, if you have one - you probably will need a new compressor.








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          Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700

          Where I do I look for the expansion valve? Both the Haynes and the Chilton have nothing to say about this. (Not that they have much to say about A/C)








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            Yet another A/C ? Why does it not get cold with 134A conversion? 700


            Oh, sorry, I should have said that. I believe it's on the input side of the evaporator, where the receiver/drier hooks up to it on the firewall. Basically, the pipe that runs between the firwall and the receiver/drier. Remove it and the little plastic tube sits IN the tube that runs into the firewall (going into the evaporator). Look straight in - it's not obvious. Pull it out with needle nose pliers.







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