I'm a big Volvo gfan and have been for a long time. There have been at least one and usually two Volvos on my driveway since 1978. I currently have a 1998 V70 T5 and a 1965 Volvo p1800S. When we got our third child, we decided we needed a minivan and purchased a Chrysler Town & Country in 1994. Sold the T&C in October of 2000 and purchased a 2001 Honda Odyssey EX with the Navigation system. Very practical, safe, sound car. GET OVER the issue about driving a minivan. Give the Ody a try. Its a great car. When I sell the V70, I am seriously considering purchasing ANOTHER Odyssey-that way my wife and I won't be fighting over it. Its a great van. There is no way you are going to get all the junk you need for the four kids into the Volvo, even with the third seats. We have the third seat in the V70, but I would not consider them useful for anything other than a quick trip-I don't feel that the kids are that safe when in them, plus if you use them, you have absolutely no room for anything else in the wagon. The Odyssey, on the other hand, had tons of room, very well thought out. If you want an Ody, you better start shopping now, because you are going to wait up to two months (or longer) for it. I purchased mine out of state, had it delivered to my driveway within thirty days of placing my order for it.