We just bought an '02 Ody 2 months ago. Never thought I could drive a minivan. I would echo everybody else's comments. Excellent powertrain- 240 hp on regular fuel, 5 sp automatic. Performance, thoughtful design, and Honda engineering are hard to beat. The bottom of the line LX is an excellent value even at MSRP. The most I have heard being discounted is maybe $500 in less populated areas. Supply has improved with the addition of the Alabama plant but don't plan on large markdowns in MSRP anytime soon. I live in upstate NY, drove by a dealership and saw the one I wanted and drove off in the van a couple of days later. I will go back to a Volvo wagon when the kids are grown. Check out the odyclub enthusiast site for more info. Good luck.