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1980 244 - Fouled #4 Plug 200 1980

I was out in the wife's 1980 244 running errands when I suddenly noticed the engine was not responding well to acceleration. It would hesitate/buck. I stopped and I checked the oil. I looked the engine compartment over and saw nothing out of line - plenty of coolant, etc. I even checked for vapor lock. Finding nothing I decided to try and get home again. Once up to a constant speed, things smoothed out a bit and I was able to get back ok.

So the wife is in a lather. I let the thing cool down (it seemed quite hot but I had been driving around for a while and was on the way back home and, after all, it is getting hotter outside - no real signs of overheat - nothing on gauges, etc - some vapor came out from the oil filler cap when opened but no sign of sludge or water in the oil.

So I pulled the plugs since it was easy to do. All save #4 were just fine. As you can see here (drive.google.com/file/d/1XHOddQrCbaotIzPYEnoy0_twOsAdDGXa/view?usp=sharing) (BTW I could not get this to upload to the gallery), #4 did not look good. I have personally never seen that on a Volvo. Seen it plenty on VW bugs in my earlier life and it rarely meant anything good. Amazingly, I still have my hand-held compression tester - unused at all since VW days. I was able to get decent readings with it across all cylinders - pretty much a constant 150. I have no idea what it should be on the 1980 but the fact that there was no variance to speak of seems a good sign to me.

In doing the compression test, I removed the cap and it and the rotor seem fine to me. I also checked the flame trap and it was fine too. I haven't a gasket right now, so not planning to check the valve clearances. But I doubt that would add much info.

So this leaves me wondering. The plug seemed wet as well as fouled to hell. So I presume it is getting fuel. But too much? The rest of the plugs looked great and given the car got us home it doesn't seem like a general fuel system issue like filter or pump. Perhaps a sticky #4 injector? Given that the compression is consistent, I don't think there is oil leaking past the rings or valves. But this is not proof of that.

This morning, after putting all back together, I misted water over the #4 intake and exhaust gasket areas with a spray pump bottle while the car idled. I MAY have noticed a SLIGHT stumble in the idle when spraying the intake area. But the idle on this car as never been smooth as silk. So I could be totally wrong. I also note that the fuel injector is in the same area and got misted. So perhaps that?

I took the car for a test drive around the neighborhood - up/down hills and flats. Seemed perfectly fine to me. So after it cools again I will check #4 for signs of fouling from that.

One thing that has changed is that I have been running 10-30 in this car whereas I have generally always used 10-40. I asked the wife to get oil one time while at Costco. Told her I wanted 10-40 but she came home with 10-30. I figured no big deal and started running it - so far, only in in this 1980 though. I wonder...

So I ought to ask the master! Your thoughts please? Thanks








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    Hi,

    Thats oil fouling. Your plug is burning engine oil. With good compression reading I'd suspect early stage of leaking valve stem seal. If car not for daily commute (like mine) just keep new spares for next fouling happens. Lets next owner worry about repairs.

    Amarin



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      My 1975 with high B20 miles would do belch out blue oil smoke at high speed as soon as I let off the gas pedal. The plugs did not ever foul.

      The valve seals were done for. Replacing the seals helped.

      Yet easier on B20 than the OHC in Mr. White's 1980 (mighty and powerful) 244 .

      Some nickel anti-seize on the plug threads and proper gap! Maybe time for new plugs also? 0.28 inch? I forget.

      That'd be a lot of oil, though!
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        I agree with Kit, Amarin and Art B. Looks like oil. Out of curiosity, how many miles on your engine? Could very well be valve seals if high miles.

        Try doing as KGV suggested, rev the engine to a higher rate of speed, let off the gas and check your rearview mirror for blue smoke. My 90 240 with the b230f never had that issue but at high mileage (230k+) both my 88 Jetta and 95 850 did. Good reason for always using synthetic oil. Didn't in those cars, but I do now...:)
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        Hi and thanks, as always, to you all for your help/suggestions. Yes, this is K-jet (I have LH version 1, I think, in my 1983) so thankfully no AMM (which I had to replace in the 83 - with help from here in diagnosing).

        No loose plugs here at all. Indeed, to budge #1 I had to put a breaker bar on the plug socket. I could not have put that in and it makes me wonder if I have even looked at these plugs since the new head got put it (the first new head failed rather quickly due to lousy quality exhaust studs just disintegrating and falling off - which was the reason I had the work done in the 1st place).

        Once I saw this I immediately checked the oil filler cap, inspected the oil in the puddles below the cam lobes, etc for sludge or such. I know well what it looks like because I found that in my wife's 1983 BMW TWICE (before and after head jobs) - which was the reason we dumped it at the BMW dealer and she finally took my advice to get a 240 (she hasn't looked back - isn't vindication wonderful?). So no sign of water in the oil and no loss of coolant or more than normal oil loss for a rig this age (my 83 looses more but that is due to a seemingly incurable leak).

        I cleaned and put the same plug into the same position and have taken the car for a couple, short test drives without any sign of trouble (including visual checks of the plugs once cooled-down). I suppose this could be a one-time gremlin. But that seems mostly wishful thinking and I doubt it. So I will try some of your suggestions to see what, if anything, I can ascertain.

        This is dino oil! I always thought that synthetic would not do anything special in such an old engine. I really know nothing about the stuff. But if Art says it is a sort of problem-solver, I gotta listen!

        I have to admit that I cannot recall when I last changed these plugs (or any plugs for that matter). Back in my old VW days, we did them every 3K miles along with everything else. But it seems they can go forever these days unless somehow damaged. They have just never looked damaged so I always just clean, re-gap, and put them back. These are NGK BPR6ES, I think - whatever is spec'ed/sold for this car at IPD - which is my usual source for such things.

        I will post back as I discover/rule out more. Thanks!



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          There have been a few more (longer and more high speed) test drives. After each I let the engine cool and pulled #4 to look for signs of fouling. I have yet to see any. And the car seems to run great. I am not sure what this means. But I will check into Kitty's suggestions.

          Thanks!



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            Hi,

            Highway driving will not prove anything but does clean the cylinders. Sometimes referred to as an “Italian tuneup.” It’s probably why the accelerator pedal is more long and narrow than the other pedals to match the early styling of narrowly pointed shoes. 🤓

            A cylinders oil rings give up more oil with around town driving or quickly letting off the accelerator at high speeds.
            The closing off the intake manifold instantly or regularly raises the vacuum level higher and when the intake valves opens it get that vacuum applied.
            With the crankcase already pulsing from the other cylinders movements and blow by the scenario is set for oil to go past the rings.
            This happens to some extent no matter the miles or age of the engine.

            I suggest use the car more in a fashion of slower around twin driving that the wife probably does or put in a little hotter heat range plug. Only go up one step in heat range though.

            Phil




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              You mentioned the use of the "Italian tune-up". Here's how my good friend Gert, who immigrated from Denmark in the mid-'60's (we met back then when we worked at the same small independent "foreign car" repair shop on Long Island) described how a tune-up ended. Gert was VOLVO trained in Denmark. Take the car on an 8 mile stretch of highway--in third gear foot to the floor--loop around and head back to the shop again in third foot to the floor. He said the car would typically go nearly 10 mph faster at the end of the return trip. :-) Dave



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        Sure looks like oil to me. The sludge on the plug reminds me of the days when I used "dino" oil before learning how to keep Volvo flame traps and engines running clean with synthetic.

        Whether head gasket, valve guides, or a ring, I couldn't say, and don't believe compression or leakdown readings would have to suffer to prove it.

        My approach would be to put in a fresh plug. See if the engine smooths out immediately. Then run a tank of gas through or feel the "missing" symptom again before pulling the plug to check how quickly it fouls again.

        If I was wrong about the oil, and thought it might be flooding (have to use my nose) I'd consider swapping injectors or doing a volume test, but that's a lot of messing around.



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        Hi,

        From my experiences over lots of different engines I would say the plug is too cold of a heat range for that cylinder. But it cannot be that it’s a too cold of a heat range for this engine since the others are fine.
        This sort points to that the spark plug is miss firing and thus is running very cold.
        Lack of firing is about as cold as you can get. (:-)


        Spark plugs do fail as I have taken Champion spark plugs right from their box to be bad. Considering the production numbers within every brand plug out there has to be about two percent of them to be bad. This number is a standard statistical average for defects of man made products.
        That is except for a human itself?
        That number has to be way higher due to so many uncontrolled variables covered within randomness and a pinch of Murphy’s law thrown in for good mixture. But that’s life on earth. IMHO

        A Spark plugs life, used under designed conditions, are remarkably reliable to be 150 year’s old.
        That why people don’t want to believe it might be one spark plug.
        But… I ask … why not?

        Move the plug to another cylinder or change it over to new or another known good one and then, do nothing else is the test.
        Same goes for that cylinders wire if it continues.
        You obviously can only do this one at a time procedure to get a valid scientific result.
        You move this idea along while experiencing the laws of probabilities and gaining a sense of what is the “Most Likely” item to cause this.

        With that idea I would consider that since it’s the very back cylinder it is the one that runs the hottest because it is the farthest from the radiator it thermostat outlet.
        A note about the piston rings needs to be stated here.
        The compression ring only does its best of sealing is on the compression stroke. The ring is put in facing up a certain way so the taper up on to uses the gas to push the ring out more. Otherwise it just riding up and down
        The oil rings below it use their own tension to scrape the cylinder wall.
        Since that cylinder gets hotter any oil not circulated will have a more likelihood to cook or get stickier.
        With the plug telling a story you have some oil burning going on or excessive fuel deposits.
        If you are using top tier gasolines that should be a lesser issue.
        You don’t claim any gasoline & oil dilution so the injectors are, at this point, not a suspect.

        Sometimes soaking the troublesome cylinder with Marvel mystery oil or even ATF might help
        Some people use a product called “Rislone” but other oil detergents maybe available.
        This product has been around for a long time so I suspect they have sold their share to long time mechanics.

        As I remember this car uses a constant injection system (CIS) or mechanical pressure to open the injectors and a frequency valve to pulse and vary the flow through the fuel distributor.
        On the later LH Electric injectors an electronic hot wire or plate Air Mass Meter (AMM) does the same thing. Sometimes I wonder if it was worth it as both are Lambda-Sond bound in the end.
        My 1978 has been very reliable as I only fresh keep gas in the system.

        So, change around things or change out that spark plug.
        That one cylinder can cause a loss of 25 percent power right upon several misfirings.
        A few seconds of missing equates to several revolutions per minute
        The carbon deposits have dampen the heat and the path of the spark and consequently mucking things up all over that cylinder. You don’t want to burn an exhaust valve due to improper valve closures.

        What may need to happen is change the oil more often or put in a better detergent in it to remove that gunk. It will not have to be a full time thing with todays oils.
        Costco oil comes from a long time supplier.
        The Warren oil company. I believe they are in the middle of the USA, somewhere, if it makes you feel any better.
        They put oil out there under several well known name brands.

        Costco’s staff of buyers are pretty shrewd in what they get for their Costco customers.
        Just like SprayWay Glass Cleaner, sold @ Walmart, packages up about 2500 brands of different things.
        I suspect the same glass cleaner might be under five different names and of course, prices.
        You should look these things up that we buy.
        As it puts branding under a whole new “limelight.”
        It’s a “Theatrics” stage lighting term from the 1800s but “Retailers” of today are the same game players looking for suckers.

        SO I STOP as I’m getting carried away
        Have a nice day.

        Phil



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        drive.google.com/file/d/1XHOddQrCbaotIzPYEnoy0_twOsAdDGXa/view?usp=sharing

        How does one access this? I would like to see the pic but I am unable to do so.


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        '79 242, '84 DL 2 door, '80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon, '15 XC70 T6 AWD



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          Link works fine for me copied and pasted into the browser address bar. Google drive may want a log on if you're not already connected with cookies. Big brother Google always wants to keep track of what you're doing. And some people worry about other countries spying!! Happening in your own backyard.
          --
          Dave -still with 940's, prev 740/240/140/120 You'd think I'd have learned by now



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            Precisely why I avoid using Google or Chrome unless it is absolutely necessary which, in this case, it was.

            But I have no idea what's going on with that plug.


            --
            '79 242, '84 DL 2 door, '80 DL 2 door, '89 DL Wagon, '15 XC70 T6 AWD



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              A current browser with cookies enabled.

              The file is set for public access as the OP set permissions for public access.

              Copy and paste into an empty browser or tab address or location or URL field:

              https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XHOddQrCbaotIzPYEnoy0_twOsAdDGXa/view

              Work for me. Yet some corporate and government firewalls may prevent access to Google Drive and file contained therein.

              BrickPix is broken. You cannot upload images. No ETA as to restoration. Or at least Jarrod has not made mention as he is very full with his IT / information security systems business. Please don't use the term 'cyber security' because a presidential executive order mentions 'cyber security' invoking author William Gibson's creation of the term cyber in his books.

              150 PSI in all four cylinders with open throttle, engine management off (no fuel injection), and charged battery on 1980 US market B21 F is normal and good.

              A slight cause may be failure or seizure of the piston oil control ring (the ring does not float in the top piston groove). Carbon build up can be a cause. More so with mineral oil. If nearing a schedule oil change, consider an additive added to the fuel tank to remove carbon from the engine intake (valve stems) and combustion chamber.

              Scotty Kilmer's YouTube channel makes mention of such additives with proof:
              https://www.youtube.com/@scottykilmer/featured

              The other cause may be a faulty #4 injector. Spray pattern or wrong volume no matter inject pressure. An additive like Chevron Techron (techroline) or what Scotty Kilmer advocates may work. Carbon build up is a quality of continuous injection systems like Bosch K-Jetronic (and less so D and LH Jetronic systems).

              The sparkle-lator plug has failed, or ignition wire to it, or the #4 rotor cap contact has failed. If any damage to the Bosch Electronic Ignition impulse sender where the four impulse coil pins may not align with the magnetic four plate pins, the number four spark plug (circuit) may not fire as the impulse signal is below a threshold for the ignition amplifier circuit.

              The in-distributor impulse sender pins can get damaged / lose alignment as one or both of the ignition cap retainer clips were allowed to move to the closed position with the cap off of the distributor and the engine or intermediate cam turned. Though if one is damaged may cause K-Jetronic electronic injection impulse sender failure.

              The Bosch K-Jetronic Electronic Ignition impulse sender is not a powered "Hall Effect" 'sensor' as it is not powered as with Bosch EZK115 and 117 and older.

              May want to try swapping with known good components as spark plug, spark plug wire, distributor cap.

              Else, a leakdown (pressurized) compression test can resolve if a cylinder head gasket failure. Oil is drawn in through the gasket failure on intake stroke. I'm not sure.

              The original poster can embed the image using the Google provided iframe in the message while composing or editing their message:


              Or use Art B's method here:


              Appears not to work with images hosted on Google Drive set to public access or view.

              Hopes to have a 1970s 242 again with K-Jetronic. May need to replace the black high pressure nylon line and the low pressure rubber fuel return lines by bow. Our dear Art B. has a few articles on his cleanflametrap site about fuel line (replacement) fun.

              Sort of like repacking the rear wheel bearings with new NLGI-2 wheel bearing grease if not already. An uneasy task. Do the service correctly.

              Hope that helps.


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                "Appears not to work with images hosted on Google Drive set to public access or view."

                Right. Because the posted link is not an image, it's a viewer with access to the image.

                I'm going to try embedding the image by dropping the /view from the URL given:



                Kitty, it probably still won't work.

                It didn't.

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                Wow, that's got to be one of the worst plugs I've ever seen. How does it even spark? I'm fairly sure that's caked oil, not unburned fuel. Uniform 150 psi compression is great. Other plugs all normal says it's something specific to that cylinder.

                So where's the oil coming from?? Not the rings. 10W30 or even cheap brand oil hasn't got anything to do with this. Volvo specs middle weight 10W30 for normal operation anyway, but there are good reasons to go with 10W40, such as higher mileage or severe operation.

                Any chance that plug recess is collecting oil from a leaking valve cover or spill? If the plug had loosened (which I've had happen when torqued to minimum spec in my 740 red block 16V head, dealer service knew of this tendency) then it could be inhaling oil during running, especially when cold before heat expansion might seal a plug leak. Unlikely, but in theory possible.

                No matter what, you need a known good plug in that cyl before going further. As a temporary measure for testing, you could try cleaning it up or using an old plug, just be sure to use one of the other good plugs in that cyl for testing, not the old one. Check the ignition side. Is the plug wire seated firmly in the dist and also gripping the plug stem same as the others? Test spark against the block under dark conditions. Nice bright spark, same as all the others? If all that checks out then I'd maybe start up and if all is running normally then try using it for a few days if you can, then read the plugs again just in case the plug was the issue. Meanwhile you can think of other options like a leaking injector or some kind of valve or worn cam issue.
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                  I meant to add to my last sentence, don't totally rule out the head gasket. You would normally expect that to affect compression, but not always. Was your uniform 150 psi done wet or dry? Check oil for any hint of milkiness (dipstick and filler cap inspection) and coolant reservoir for cloudiness, dark color change or oiliness. Any unexplained loss of oil or coolant more so than before? Old engines are going to leak, so the question is if it's notably worse since the engine started running poorly. You've got a compression gauge, so a leakdown test is warranted.

                  I also meant to add as far as plugs not sealing the possibility of being cross threaded. #4 plug is the hardest to see and easiest to accidentally cross thread if you don't hand thread it in far enough. A cross threaded plug may feel snug, yet not be fully seated, even with a torque wrench. Also, thread damage may not be evident on the plug, especially if it was a previous plug that cross threaded. Using a different plug, thread it in part way. Does it wiggle more than if you do the exact same in the other plug holes? Valve cover leaks are also more common at the corners.
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