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Hi all.I know alot of people here are purists and after reading some of the posts in the RWD forum it's obvious some brickboarders are fed up with all the engine swap questions,especially 140 stuff.I use to think,"whats the big deal,don't read it if your not interested",but after watching the posts for a while I can see why it's grating on you guys.It really does come down to the same rehashed swap questions over and over and over again.I like the swaps but even I'm almost tiring of the same old rehashing!
My proposal is this: I would like to see the V8 Conversion forum changed to "Engine Swaps" or "V8 and other conversions".I think it would help people find the info they want easier and keep "us hacks" out of your hair!We could simply direct "newbies" to the proper place.I've also noticed half the posts in the V8 forum are not V8 related.
All that having been said I DO appreciate stock volvos also and of the 13 here only one is "butchered".......PROMISE!
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V8s are all well and good (especially if it's a Mopar), but how come nobody has thought of swapping in THE most desireable American powerplant- the Slant-6? I don't know if one would fit in my 244, but I'd sure like to try!
Later,
Matt
-1978 Volvo 244
-1984 Volvo 244 (RIP)
-a bunch of crappy cars not worth mentioning
-1973 Dodge Dart Custom (RIP)
-1970 Dodge Dart Custom (RIP)
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I don't know about that wrecking the "social fabric" stuff, enviroment maybe, unless you kept the emission stuff, then it could be better. If your really worried about your car ruining the inviroment, maybe an old car (or any car) isn't for you.
I don't mind the engine stuff here, even if it is rehashed every month, its entertaining. You never know when someone is going to figure something new out thats easy and practical, I would want to hear about it, not sort thourgh some other forum. Also it usually about the b21/b23 so its at least a related engine.
The v8 into a 240/700 is pretty popular so it makes since to have its own forum.
shane
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'66 122s, '60 PV544, 73' 142s
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Since a V-8 swap into a 140 is only for those who want to prove it can be done, how about alternatives. What comes to mind immediately are the GM Quad4 (190hp NA horsepower out of the box), Chrysler 2.2 (noisy but the factory 300 hp kit is only about $1200, and it can be done for less) the new Chevy Vortec 5 cylinder, the range of 60 degree V-6's.
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The reason old Volvos last so long and are as solid as they are after being driven 30+ years is because they had low-powered engines. Powerful engines wreck everything, including the environment and social fabric.
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Powerful engines do not wreck everything, including the environment and social fabric. It is comon knowledge that todays more powerfull engines are much more environmentaly friendly than any B20 ever dreamed of. Volvos last a long time because the chasis can handle a life time of driving. I know people will tell you that they have 300K on there B20. However I have never seen one go much past 150 with out a worn cam, worn lifters, worn valve guides, worn timing gears etc. The combustion chamber design in a B21/23 promotes much better combustion burn keeping the emitions down.
Just my humble 02 cents worth.
john
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"powerful engines wreck everything"? I would argue that a stock B230 (turbo or not) is alot more environmentally friendly than any B18/20
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Re: "'powerful engines wreck everything'? I would argue that a stock B230 (turbo or not) is alot more environmentally friendly than any B18/20"
On a one to one basis, considering gaseous emission only, that may be true. However, more than 4 milion b21/23/230 s were produced. That's about twice as many as the b16/18/b20. The total impact is less with the <= B20 series.
Looking for unrestored old common Chevys, Fords, Chryslers that were used as daily drivers in their early lives, I always have found more six-cylinders than 8's. V-8's, especially in trucks, cause additional frame flex, and driveline wear. They wear out much quicker. The difference in payload capacity is not significant, IMHO.
Given similar suspensions and tires, greater horsepower transferred to road surfaces causes more road wear than less horsepower.
I even favor gas rationing and a 60 mph national speed limit. Except for Montana.
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Obviously more B230's were produced.I never argued that the sum total of all B230's was any better for the envioronment than the B18/20. Wouldn't you agree that if that early chassis (or any chassis for that matter) is existing anyway it would be better for the environment with the B230?
Another thing to consider is that alot of B18/20's arn't driven daily.To use your logic the B230 would be much worse.
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Right. By total effect, the b230 is worse than the b20, however, none of the Volvos RWDs as designed and built are nearly as bad as any V8, although they are appropriate in a heavy truck. Preserving a b230 is also the right thing to do, IMHO.
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"Powerful engines wreck everything, including the environment and social fabric."
I have had nearly $400,000.00 of my property confiscated as wetlands to benefit the environment. This, without compensation. Over the years, I have had a lot of my property "taken" for "public purposes", but always with compensation. I have paid my dues. My social fabric is a quilt. My idea of multi-culturalism is dating Canadians.
Think of it this way. When I am driving my "improved" Volvo, I can't be driving my 500hp '67 Dodge.
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Dangit,My 70 ss chevelle only has 450 HP. I will have a V8 in one of my many Volvos,just try to stop me! M.J.
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"Dangit,My 70 ss chevelle only has 450 HP." I am sorry to hear that you are in a state of deprevation. Remember, "There is no replacement for displacement", to get a comfortable 500hp I had a mild overbore and stroke to my 440 to bring it to 506. Idle is a little lumpy, but sometimes I amuse a ricer with a wheelstand at a stoplight. I have had to tub the rears and move the springs in. GM has a crate motor which I think is 502. I am little hazy on that one, when it comes to horsepower it is "Mopar or no car". If you must have a V8 in your Volvo, Mopar has reintroduced the "Mayor of Carville" in the form of a new Hemi. For just a few dollars more, they will sell it to you with a supercharger and 450hp. A fairly compact package and no erratic idle.
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OK so we also we also need a "tube-chassis-only-nothing-under-500-cube-forum",dually noted!
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Yep,wouldn't consider anything but! I have those gigantic mudflaps with chrome "chicks" reclining on them also.
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hahahahahahahaha with all these funny replies...i think we need a HUMOR SECTION!!!!!!!! wife is gona get a new car...and i get her 1984 240 2dr.heheheheheheheh.....ford 302, or chevy 350 or v-6 3.8 GM...so many choices....which will i do???
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How about a Buick 231 Turbo from a GNX...
lots of parts, active aftermarket,
T5 tranny bolt in
Miguel
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My First Volvo - stock (for now) '84 244, 230+kmi. Owned it since 9/03
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