I was reading what the s80 folks had to say, and now I'm thinking that it would be likly I would buy one. I wonder if the S60s are any better. It's too bad that a company that used to make great cars started going the way of American cars. I guess they are still safe cars, although, I seriously wonder if they are safer then my 240. I guess if this is the way that quality is going, when it comes time to buy a new car, I might just have to restore my 240. I wonder who else is seeing the sad future of Volvo. Hopefully they will shape up so I can buy a new one someday.